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Auteur: Demerzel Horaire: 2014-11-10 05:28:16 Titre: [Tuto] Jades, keskecekeca et j'en fais quoi?
Le tuto est en deux messages, il fait plus de 10 000 caractères, désolé pour les soucis de mise en page:s
J'avais préparé un petit tuto pour les guildeux histoire d'éviter de se répéter sur TS mais du coup on va le poster ici également :
On va faire un petit récap concernant les jades, elles sont très importantes dans le jeu et seront l'une de vos principales dépenses en golds avec les parchemins d'évolutions pour bête spirituelle/tâches du jour.
Tout ça c'est bien beau, mais les jades moi je n'en ai pas, je les obtiens comment?
- Les acheter directement dans le magasin. Attention, si vous êtes VIP 6 il est préférable d'acheter des jades 1 et de les synthétiser, en effet une jade 1 = 12 golds, 1 jade 4 = 102 golds. Sachant qu'une jade 4 = 8 jade 1 et que 8 jades 1 = 96 golds, c'est une économie de 6 golds par jade 4.
- Les récupérer dans l'arbre de guilde une fois que celui ci a le niveau requis (les fruits mystiques peuvent donner des boites de jade 5, soit l'équivalent de 240 golds).
- Les talismans précieux peuvent donner des boites de jade 1 à 3.
- L’évent de 22 h, les rebelles ninja, est une source importante de jade. Si vous arrivez à tuer 10 rebelles vous obtenez environ 2 à 3 jades niveau 3, soit l'équivalent de 100/150 golds.
Les jades viendront toutes seules avec le temps même si vous ne goldez pas, alors certes vous ne serez pas rapidement full jade 5/6 voir 7/8 pour les gros golders, mais ça viendra avec le temps. Attention si vous partez pvp il peut être plus dur de récupérer des jades, étant donné que tuer les rebelles ninja sera compliqué.
Les jades se synthétisent, deux jades de niveau un feront une jade de niveau deux, deux jades deux une jade trois ...
Quand votre jade augmente, les stats augmente de manière exponantielle, il y a par exemple une grande différence entre des jade force 6/7/8. Une jade 6 donne 13.5% de force, une 7 en donne 18% et une 8 24%. On gagne donc 4.5 % de force en passant de la jade 6 à 7, alors qu'on récupère 6% en allant attraper la jade 8. Mais c'est pas une raison pour synthétiser vos jades sur un seul persos 
Il y a quelques façon d'accéder à l'interface de jade, la plus simple restant de cliquer sur une jade dans son sac et de l'utiliser, sinon il y a le mec habillé en cuir sur la droite du village de konoha, principal sujet de discussions des soirées SM du jeudi soir (parce le jeudi, c'est s.....)
Bref continuons !
Ok j'ai mes jades, mais je n'y comprend rien, elles apportent quoi?
On attaque le principal problème, on est vite perdu dans nos jades. On va déjà les détailler :
Il faut déjà savoir que les jades incrémentent vos stats en pourcentage, donc mieux vous êtes jadés plus elles vont être rentable.
Agi : augmente l'agilité, c'est à dire la vitesse de votre personnage. Vous permet de jouer avant l'adversaire en pvp, et reste utile en pve pour ajuster l'ordre d'initiative de votre équipe afin de faire jouer vos supports avant vos attaquants.
Force : Augmente la force, donc les dégâts physiques et la défense physique de vos persos.
Chakra : Augmente les dégâts magiques et la défense magique de vos persos.
Endurance : Augmente votre pouvoir, donc vos points de vie de vos persos
Précision : Augmente votre précision, cela permet d'annuler les avants gardes full évasion du type Gai, et de passer certaines croisades/royaumes/procès/tour perdue.
Attaque S : Permet d'éviter les blocages adverses lors de vos coups.
Eva. : Augmente l’évasion de vos personnages. L'évasion est utile en arène/conquête/défense de konoha étant donné qu'un coup évité ne charge pas la furie de vos personnages.
Blocage : Augmente votre taux de blocage, un coup bloqué est différent par rapport à un coup évité. En effet, un coup évité fait 0 dégats et ne charge pas votre furie. Un coup bloqué réduit les dégats à environ 15%, charge tout de même la furie de votre adversaire mais permet une contre attaque derrière.
Crit : Augmente votre chance de sortir un coup critique.
Contre : Réduit votre chance de subir un coup critique, si vous avez plus de contre que le critique de votre adversaire, vous n'en prendrez pas.
Furie : Augmente votre furie initiale en pourcentage, peut vous permettre de lancer votre furie au tour 1 (très fort sur des gamebreaker type itachi and co en pvp). Je vais me permettre de détailler maintenant car c'est une jade qui n'est utile que dans un certains cas, lorsque l'on en a énormément. Je m'explique : Votre personnage a 50 de furie au tour 1. Il faut donc atteindre 100% de furie initiale en jade, ce qui va doubler votre furie initiale, afin de passer de 50 à 100. C'est un cas très particulier, peu de personnes auront les jade nécessaires étant donné qu'elles ne s'obtiennent que dans les packs jades niveau 4 et dans les events. Les Jades basiques furies, les "niveaux 4" donnent 8% de furie. Pour arriver à 100 % de furie il faut deux jades niveau 9 qui donnent 18%, et 4 jades niveau 8 de 16%. On obtient donc 2*18+4*16 = 100%. Il vous faut 16 jades basiques furies pour obtenir une jade 8 furie, et donc 32 jades basiques furie pour une jade 9. ça nous fait donc 16*4+32*2 = 128 jades basiques furie à récupérer. Bref, vous avez le temps !
J'ai compris à quoi servent mes jades, mais j'ai 5 ninja, j'en fais quoi?
On va détailler ici deux cas particulier, ceux qui partent hybride/full pvp, et ceux qui vont se concentrer sur le PVE.
Pourquoi séparer les deux catégories? Parce que le type de jades à mettre et l'optimisation de la team entière ou d'un perso en particulier dépend de votre orientation.
Si vous cherchez à être compétitif en arène avec une compo hybride ou full pvp
Il convient de séparer ses jades de manière plus ou moins équivalents jusqu'au niveau 80. En effet, au niveau 80 vous récupérez Itachi, et ce personnage va être le personnage central de votre composition, on parle d'ailleurs de duels d'itachi une fois niveau 90. Un Itachi qui joue avant l'itachi adverse va permettre de tuer les supports voir les attaquants adverses en premier, et donc éviter qu'ils jouent. Mais cela demande un certain nombre de sacrifice, jader de manière compétitive un itachi demandes de l'investissement.
Il va donc falloir l'optimiser au maximum, il y a deux écoles, soit avoir un itachi moyen parce qu'on ne vise pas le top arène qui est occupé par des itachi full jade goldés, soit optimiser son itachi car on sait qu'on a les moyens d'atteindre ce top arène.
Déjà, n'enlevez pas vos jades des autres personnages de votre team, ou alors de manière limitée, ça sera contre productif par la suite. Garder tout vos persos avec un minimum de jade lvl 3 est la base en pvp, sinon vous ne ferez rien du tout. Un itachi seul dans une team sans jade se fera éclater contre des teams itachi bien jadés
Mais je vous conseille dans une optique pvp de commencer à chercher dès le niveau 70 des jades pour optimiser votre Itachi. On va détailler les jades à lui mettre :
Agi : Très importantes, à moins d'avoir un deidara qui pourra jouer avant l'itachi adverse, votre itachi doit monter le plus haut possible en vitesse afin de surclasser celui de l'adversaire, voir le deidara adverse.
Force : Très importantes également, cela augmente l'attaque physique de votre itachi et donc votre chance d'OS la team adverse, ça vous permet également de mieux résister aux itachi adverses.
Précision : Très importantes, si votre coup est évité par le gaï adverse au tour 1, votre vitesse ne servira à rien vu que votre furie viendra au tour 3 seulement, monter à 150% de précision permet d'être serein à ce niveau là.
Crit : Importantes, ça va vous permettre de titiller les attaquants adverses voir de les tuer dès votre tour 2.
Attaque s : Toujours utile, partir sur une base de 30% vous permet d'éviter les team qui ont les attaquants jadés à 30 % de blocages.
Votre 6 ème jade est situationnelle, ça va dépendre de la méta de votre top 10 arène. Si votre itachi joue derrière ceux adverses, vous pouvez partir sur du pouvoir (vie de votre personnage) qui vous permettra de tenir plus longtemps, même si vos chances restent faibles.
Auteur: Demerzel Horaire: 2014-11-10 05:28:17
Edite par Demerzel a 2014-11-10 05:27
On a donc vu pour Itachi. Mais concernant le reste de l'équipe on leur donne quoi?
On est dans une optique pvp, principalement arène/events pvp et accessoirement royaume/croisadeetc. Il faut garder ça en tête.
Si vous êtes sur du pvp, vous avez sûrement un deidara derrière, sur deidara on va chercher à choper de l'agilité en priorité. Il va falloir commencer avant l'itachi adverse et avant l'éventuel sasori. Si vous stunez l'itachi adverse au tour 2 et que votre itachi est libre de ses mouvements, au tour 4 c'est gagné. Il va également falloir partir sur de l'endurance afin d'essayer de tenir un tour face à l'itachi adverse, du contre peut être utile également si votre deidara ne meurt pas en coup normal mais trépasse sur les crit, de la précision afin d'être certain de caler sa furie au tour 2, de l'attaque S pour éviter de perdre de la vie précieuse sur l'avant garde adverse. Le chakra est correct mais secondaire, les dégats de deidara étant risibles. Mais si il y a un madara ou un sasori en face elles peuvent vous permettent de résister plus longtemps grâce à la défense magique. La 6 ème jade est au choix selon la méta du top 10 arène et vos jades en stocks.
Votre main va partir sur de la force (ou chakra selon votre main)/pouvoir (toujours dans l'optique de tenir l'itachi adverse)/précision/attaque S/ et pour finir si vou savez des jades agis en rab et des jades crit c'est un bon choix, les jades contre peuvent être une option si vous avez du mal à tenir les Itachi/danzo adverses. Votre main est votre seconde source de dégâts derrière itachi, il va servir à aller chercher les morceaux des attaquants de la team adverses après la furie d'itachi.
Avant garde : On cherchera principalement du blocage / de l'évasion si tu as un Gai. Le pouvoir est également très important, histoire d'encaisser plus de coût avant de mourir comme une merde. Les jades forces servent, pour taper un peu plus que du 5 en contre sur les attaquants adverses. Les jades contre sont dans la même optique que les pouvoirs, ça vous permet d'éviter les critiques adverses et d'encaisser plus. Pour les dernières jades, si vous croisez beaucoup de Gai en face vous pouvez partir sur des précisions, sinon si il y a un stock d'hinata et de kisame, les Attaque s vous permettront de prendre moins de blocages, et donc moins de dégâts.
Ensuite on a le choix, ou bien on joue avec 2 supports et 2 attaquant, ou bien 3 attaquants 1 supports. Pour le supports on peut partir sur une même optique de jade que deidara (exception faite de danzo/ des supports qui tapent, sur lesquels il faut maximiser le chakra et les crit si vous comptez trust le top 10 arène avec cette composition), pour un attaquant partez sur les mêmes jades que votre main.
Ouai mais moi je m'en care du pvp, je vise du long terme et je pars sur du PVE, du coup je vais chercher quoi?
Dans une équipe PVE c'est plus simple, les jades à aller chercher sont différentes et moins concentrées sur un ninja gamebreaker type Itachi. Il faut savoir qu'on parle ici de fury warfare, cad kabuto/haku main/shika/rock lee pré 80/90, puis minato/sarutobi avec un éventuel passage par Killer bee si vous êtes très large niveau âmes dorées une fois 80.
Pour les évents pve :
Ligne d'attaquants : on va chercher force (chakra si genjutsu)/crit/blocage en priorité (afin d'attaquer virtuellement deux fois par tour, une fois durant notre tour, et une fois durant le tour adverse avec la contre attaque). Quelques jades précisions/attaque S sont toujours utile.
Ligne de supports : On part sur un minimum d'agi afin de commencer avant les attaquants, du critique,très importantes une fois que vous avez minato évolué car il vous faut un crit sur les générations de furie pour ulti tout les tours, du chakra en priorité sur kabuto (les dégats d'haku sont risibles, c'est toujours bien d'être bien jadé en chakra mais c'est secondaire). Ensuite on peut partir sur des jades précisions/attaque s même si elles sont secondaire, dépendant de votre stock de jades.
Je tue 30 rebelles par soir mais je galère sur la croisade 60 dur, c'est normal?
C'est bien, on a nos jades pour les évents pve. Certes ces évents rapportent beaucoup, mais il faudra passer par un minimum de pvp que ce soit en croisade/royaume/procès/tour. Du coup on va jouer en 2 supports 2 attaquants 1 avant garde la plupart du temps, et switcher le stuff de notre avant garde sur le troisième attaquant pour les évents. C'estun peu chiant mais c'est obligatoire de passer par ce système pour boucler ses "objectifs" pvp quotidien.
Pour ce faire, l'avant garde (hinata jusqu'au niveau 100 si vous partez pve, gai ne servant à rien vous le comprendrez vite par la suite) va être jadé de cette façon :
Blocage/Pouvoir/force/précision/Contreet au choix pour la 6 ème jade selon votre stock de jade, on peutpartir sur de l'évasion, de l'attaque S ou du crit.
Lorsque l'on va switcher le stuff d'hinata sur notre troisième attaquant, on va enlever les jades contre et évasion qui ne serviront à rien. Vos jades blocages seront elles très utiles, vous permettant de monter facilement à 50% de blocage sur l'un de vos attaquants (shika étant le mieux pour ça pré 90, ses blocages profitant de ses dégats monstrueux en coup blanc dû à son taux de dégäts de base). On rajoute des jades crit si on en a en stock, et des jades attaques s, et le tour est joué, on a une avant garde permettant d'être un minimum pvp, et un super perso pour pve. Sur le stuff de l'avant garde, on peut chercher à affiner en priorité du blocage/force/x afin de ne rien perdre en optimisation dans le mode pve ou le mode pvp.
On parlera également d'haku. Haku ne vous servira à rien du tout en pvp, si votre kabuto joue avant vos personnages, ils sont déjà en furie un tour sur deux. On va donc se débarrasser de ce boulet intersidéral pour s'orienter vers un perso très utile : Un stun, typiquement karin. Une fois 90 on pourra dégager karin et kabuto de notre compo "pvp" afin de les remplacer d'abord par konan, puis si vous êtes très bien en âme dorée, un tobi.
Pour ceux ayant madara, il se jade de la même manière qu'un kabuto, mais on peut se permettre d'optimiser ses jades chakra/agi/crit. Il va taper très fort que ce soit en pve ou en pvp et peut sur un bon crit OS les supports adverses. Il peut être votre Itachi « du pauvre », bien que l'expression soit peu adaptée 
, mais disons que c'est un sous itachi appréciable pour ceux partant full fury et ayant les moyens.
Voila, il me semble que vous avez déjà une bonne base d'information. Si vous avez d'autres questions je suis disponible sur TS. Si vous avez des persos particuliers, et que vous ne trouvez vraiment pas comment les jader malgré ce guide, je suis sur TS. Si vous avez des remarques à faire concernant le guide, vous pouvez les poster ici/m'en parler sur TS.
Attention : ce guide est amené à évoluer, je ne suis que niveau 75 et c'est mon premier serveur, il est en grande partie construit sur de nombreuses recherches autour du jeu/des conseils et de par ma logique personnelle. Il peut donc contenir des erreurs, auquel cas n'hésitez pas à me le faire remarquer ;)
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Auteur: Wave75 Horaire: 2014-11-20 03:39:08
Super tuto, rien a dire, merci beaucoup sa ma bien sauver la vie !
Auteur: Koutei Horaire: 2014-12-15 00:30:45
Merci Bcp. Super Tuto
Auteur: gota41 Horaire: 2014-12-25 15:54:39
bonjour
voici ma formation actuelle :
sasuke/sarutobi/main/Hitachi/Konan
je souhaite être sur du pve principalement mais avoir une formation pvp pour les taches quotidiennes( pas intéressé par le classement)
quel perso je dois changer avec un minimum d'investissement pour switcher entre les 2 formations et surtout quelles jades placées?
merci à vous pour vos conseils !
gotasan S1 (ninja)
Auteur: stark67 Horaire: 2015-5-19 10:56:04
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